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happening now in the "newsroom," breaking overnight. new satellite images. and new hope for the families. >> the satellite images could be invaluable. >> 300 new objects found floating in the ocean. >> so whether it's a ship or the aircraft, it's hard to say until they actually pick up a piece. >> and this morning, defense for the plane's pilot growing louder. >> you knew captain shah. some people point a finger at him. >> he was an excellent pilot. >> for the first time, the captain's youngest son speaking out, addressing those who call his father a political fanatic or a hijacker. this morning's search called off. >> shutting down and packing it up. >> the wicked weather. >> zero visibility means nothing. couldn't see anything out the windows. >> may not be able to see the wingtips of the aircraft.
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>> grounding all flights as malaysia airlines speaks to families. the full-page ad. words of support. deeply saddened. sincerence condolences. will never be forgotten. a special edition of "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. developing news this morning. new satellite images. this picture taken on march 24th. it shows a debris field with 300 objects. couple that picture with the next two images. they were taken by australia on march 16th. the fourth image was taken on the 18th. the chinese satellite snapped an unknown object. and this past sunday a french satellite spotted another large debris field. the common denominator in all of these pictures, they were all
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taken roughly within the same area. some 1600 miles off the coast of perth, australia. tom foreman is in washington to map it all out for us. good morning, tom. >> hi, carol. you are hitting on the main point. that they are all kind novembofe same area. you see the immense job of reading into these. this isn't being done just by human beings. there are computers being used to scan all these images to see anything that bears closer scrutiny. and now just as you mentioned, patterns are emerging. let's go to the bigger map here so you have a sense of what we're talking about here. this is australia with perth. and if you travel that 1600 miles, you can see it gets easily lost because you go out into this vast expanse of emptiness. here are the earlier findings of where the spots were. and there's the brand new one. that was just reported now. so it's hard to have your bearings out here. that's within a relatively limited area. so that's why this is such a big
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important find. i have one caution here. do bear in mind, all of the ocean out in here, according to all the people who know it, has the real potential to have different types of debris fields. so it doesn't necessarily mean this is from the plane. but if you go beyond that, here's the other thing that makes it hard to figure all of this. this is a map from the national oceanic and atmospheric administration imposed upon the world here with time lapses of it and the movement of different waves down here. and currents in the waters. so the area we're talking about is actually right in the edge of this churning area in here. so you can see that it's very hard to reverse engineer where this came from. and that's going to be the burden here. even if you can say, all of this stuff is right here, how did it get there in all of this pattern of churning? was it up here originally or over here. generally moves to the east.
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up here moves to the west. that's going to be the big challenge. first challenge, get to this general area of debris and find some of it. put it in your hands and find out if it's the right thing. second challenge go back through that maze and figure out where it came from. carol? >> tom foreman, reporting live in washington. for the first time this morning, we're hearing from the immediate family of flight 370's captain zaharie ahmad shah. some have speculated the captain may have hijacked his own plane. but his son, 26-year-old ahmad seth zaharie says this father was neither suicidal nor a political extremist. cnn's andrew stevens is in perth, australia, with a closer look. good morning. >> good morning, carol. just want to start by telling you about some news we just received here. this is from japan's kyoto news agency. and it's saying that they -- its
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government satellite, japanese government satellite spotting ten square shaped objects in waters about 2 1/2,000 kilometers southwest of perth which would put it right in that time and range that tom foreman was talking about. so another link to the growing picture if you like, taken from satellites of debris all around the same area. as we know, planes could not fly in the later afternoon over that area because of bad weather. planes did get out there earlier. they didn't report seeing anything. we're expecting them to be back in the air at some time tomorrow, depending on weather conditions. this is the missing link. getting more and more of a picture build-up by these satellite pictures. we still haven't had any firm identification of any of that debris. what it could be. no link to this being something from mh-370. this is the haystack that the
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australian officials haven't found yet. if they can get some firm i.d. on a piece of wreckage or some part of that plane, then they can start building up the model to where the rest of that plane, the main part of that plane may be. this stage, it's frustrating because we have these sightings, satellite pictures. we still can't narrow it down enough to actually get to those objects in the water. >> can we go back for a minute and talk about this -- these, i guess, new revelations by the son of the captain of flight 370 because we have no clearer picture of him either. what did his son say? >> i'm afraid, carol, i can't add to that. we're down here in perth looking at the search area. i know the son has been very obviously supporting his father. a very difficult time, obviously, for the family. remember, we're 19 days into this. there have been so many people, so many investigators looking
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into the lives of both the pilot, the -- and the co-pilot. the captain and the first officer. but we still haven't reached any conclusive idea of whether there was anything nefarious going on in the cockpit involving one or both of these two. the son coming out today very much supporting his father. >> all right. andrew stevens, i appreciate it. just going back to the newspaper article from the malaysia newspaper, the son was interviewed. he's a young man in his 20 pps he said his father wasn't fanatical. he does not believe his father hijacked the plane and he tries to ignore all of the reports coming over the internet and in other publications about his father. he said i've read everything online but i've ignored all the speculation. i know my father better. so with renewed focus on the flight 370 crew, we wanted to take a closer look at what we know about captain zaharie shah. he's gn with malaysian airlines
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since 1981. he's married. he has three children and one grandchild. he lives in a gated luxury community in the kuala lumpur suburbs. he's described by colleagues and friends as an aviation geek. he also owned that in-home flight simulator. and shah was politically aware, supporting malaysia's main opposition parties. david suchy is a cnn safety analyst. peter golds is a cnn aviation analyst and former managing director for the ntsb. welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you carol. >> u.s. officials tell cnn that no smoking gun has been found in regards to the pilot's flight simulator data. this pilot seems like a normal guy, doesn't he? >> i heard the term aviation geek. i guess i fall into that category as well. so i have an aviation simulate normy house. it's not like what he has, but, you know, i don't see anything suspicious about that. and i really don't think they'll
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turn much of with that evidence. >> so some -- presumably investigators have been looking into captain shah's background for weeks and weeks. no suicide note has come to line. no family strife. nothing from his flight simulator so far. so in your mintd, do you agree? do investigators know more than they are saying or are they in the wrong place? >> i think there is no -- >> oh, i'm sorry. >> there is no evidence that is shown that this captain was involved in anything nefarious, as you say. what we do believe is that something occurred in the cockpit that caused the transponder and the acars system to be turned off and to be turned off manually. that's the only bit of solid evidence that we have. and i think the report out of malaysia from the police -- the unsourced police spokesperson is probably a very poor lead and has been talked down extensively
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by cnn's law enforcement analyst and others. >> david, some theorists say the co-pilot could be to blame because he was too inexperienced to make that sharp westward turn. could you argue the 9/11 hijackers were way inexperienced, too, and they managed to hit their targets, sadly? >> i think that's going into speculation again. there's a lot of danger in doing that. in my history with investigations is when you start starting to try to find conclusions, all the fact comes along and try to support that. so it really can lead you in the wrong direction. i've tried to stay away from speculating about why or who. but rather the what. >> rather the what. go ahead. >> the person sitting in the right seat can fly the aircraft completely competently. that's why they're there. that's why you have two pilots. any indication that the co-pilot might not have the skill to fly
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the plane on this southerly course, simply foolish. he's there in case the pilot becomes incapacitated. he flies the plane a significant amount of time. he's a perfectly competently trained pilot. >> the other question, we haven't really heard much about the ten flight attendants on board that plane or the some 200 passengers. why aren't we hearing more about them, do you suppose, david? >> well, i know that they are being looked at. i know they are checking all that. it's just that some of the information they are finding there isn't getting out. and rightfully so. until there's some conclusive evidence, there's really no sense in sending that information out. i'm surprised they didn't send information to this degree out on the pilots because until it's proven, it's just pure speculation and in an attempt to try to figure out where this airplane may have gone, which is healthy. it's a good thing to do but to release it in this way is not a good thing. >> peter is it possible that
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investigators have had a failure of imagination? in other words, are they not thinking of something because they're stuck on all these established theories? >> no, i don't think that's true. the way in which this investigation has evolved, you are now seeing major roles played by the chinese, the americans, the british, the malaysians, the australians, even the new zealanders. i don't think there's any failure of imagination. i think there are enough trained investigators who have real skills, who have done this sort of thing before that they're not going to go put on blinders at this stage. they are going to get to the bottom of this. it's going to take a long time, but they're going to get to the bottom of it. >> i hope so. david and peter, thank you for being with me. i freesappreciate it. still to come, the invest sgigs flight 370 and the investigation that hangs over the cockpit.
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you heard andrew stevens moments ago. we learned japanese satellites spotted more possible debris from malaysia airlines flight 370. about ten objects in the water described as square shaped and up to 25 feet long. now this news follows this morning's announcement from thailand's government. thailand's government says satellite images from monday show some 300 objects floating in the southern indian ocean. it's the latest satellite evidence with all of these pictures taken in the same
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general area about 1600 miles off the coast of perth, australia. of course, until crews recover the objects, investigators will not know if they are actually connected to that missing plane. as investigators continue to search for any income evidenphy evidence, much of the speculation turns to the cockpit. did one or both of the pilots deliberately bring down that plane? "usa today" is reporting malaysian authorities are now focussing on the flight's captain. but u.s. investigators say there is no such evidence jumping out at them. jim clancy is tracking the investigation in malaysia's capital kuala lumpur. what have you found out? >> well, you know, what i can tell you for sure is that people here in kuala lumpur are looking with great anxiety, with great expectations that some debris will be found. something will be found to lead them to that black box because they know only that will clear up in everyone's minds what
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actually happened in the cockpit. who or what might have been responsible for the disappearance of flight 370. take a look. in a vacuum of evidence, media reports persistently point to the pilots as those likely responsible for the disappearance of flight 370. they had the skill. they were the last ones who controlled. government officials refuse to comment. but the former head and founder of malaysia airlines said he personally knew senior captain zaharie shah from the time he was a cadet 30 years ago. >> you knew captain shah. some people point a finger at him. >> he is an excellent pilot and also an excellent captain. i think they are going the wrong way. they are pointing finger at him. >> you also knew the co-pilot. what can you say about him? >> his father learned the koran by heart. so he also learned the koran by
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heart. he's a good muslim. and i know that he's a muslim. >> at times accusations have been colored with politics. he was a life-long supporter of the opposition political party and its leader anwar ibrahim. >> some saw this has a way to rink him to the pilot and that's the reason it became a controversy. >> it's been reported captain shah was in the courtroom hours before the flight when ibrahim was sentenced to five years in prison on sodomy charges. charges the opposition insists are designed to eliminate anwar ibrahim from politics. >> i am quite clear about it. zawahiri wasn't that afternoon right up to the point the sentencing took place. >> as a multinational search effort continues, dr. aziz hopes the flight data recorder will be located and with it, the evidence to clear the pilots.
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>> the black box. once we get the black box, then we can have the answers. if we can't find all of those, then we will start pointing fingers. they will say all sorts of things. and it's very difficult for us to defend. >> captain shah's family has gone into seclusion. they did talk voluntarily with the police but they want to avoid all the media scrutiny. that's why it was important that his son seth came out today and talked with local media telling them, forget all of this speculation. i know who my father was. carol? >> tom, we hear this all the time that malaysian officials don't want to be embarrassed, you know. they would be embarrassed, culturally if these pilots were somehow to blame. is that your sense in is that a real concern?
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>> not as much, i think, as, you know, people from the outside looking in think about it. they want the truth to come out. they want to know themselves. they know how important it is for malaysia, malaysia airlines, for the entire aviation industry. they want the truth to come out. they don't believe that the pilots are capable of this. they think the pilots with this much experience would have never put the passengers at risk. if someone wanted to commit suicide, why take along a whole plane load of passengers. all the theories are out there. all the speculation is out there. but the solid record of these two men seems to defy all of it. and we have to take that into account. just like everyone on that flight is in one way or another a suspect. but all of them have to be judged on the evidence, not innuendo, carol. >> jim clancy reporting live from kuala lumpur. thank you so much. 16 people confirmed dead. 90 others missing after saturday's landslide in
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washington state. families struggle through devastating loss. some are asking if this tragedy could have been prevented. anna cabrera is here. good morning, carol. the search continues for the missing in what is now becoming one of the worst natural disasters in this state's history. and the questions about was there a warning ahead of time? more on that when we come back. ...return on investment wall isn't a street... isn't the only return i'm looking forward to... for some, every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college. our commitment to current and former military members and their families is without equal.
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we'll get back into the investigation in flight 370 in a minute. first, officials say the number of people missing in washington state's landslide has dropped dramatically to 90 from 176. at least 24 people were killed saturday when a massive hillside crashed down on towns in the cascade mountains.
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eight bodies have been found. but still not recovered. i guess they've been detected but not recovered. some are asking if this tragedy could have been prevented after a nearby landslide in 2006 and expert warnings about new construction. for victims' families, the focus is on coping with this. here's more from cnn's anna cabrera. >> reporter: this morning, a mother's unspeakable pain after her son pulled the body of her daughter from the debris. >> my heart is broken. it's broken. >> summer raffa was driving on a state road at the time of the slide. rescue workers continue their mission five days after the side of this hill came cascading down on snohomish county. >> we're going to find her, honey. we're going to find her. >> reporter: peter, a volunteer with the state's incident and response team knows this community well. he's lived here for 40 years. familiar places on this map have a newsom ber reality.
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>> this guy lived and his wife died which we were on the school board together for about 30 years. >> reporter: the heavy equipment used to break through concrete and lumber continues to unearth personal tragedies. >> we can't lose hope for anybody in this community. that's not what we're here for. we're here to find those people. >> the governor insley telling cnn he expects the death toll to rise significantly. >> i don't think anyone can reach any other conclusion. the force of this landslide just defies imagination. >> this daring rescue of a 4-year-old boy plucked from the mud on saturday is one of several miraculous stories of survival. the man who helped save him telling cnn, he saw his own grandson in the boy. >> i see myself thinking about eli when that's going on. so you want to help. and so you kind of carry that. >> an event that's touched so many here showing both how fleeting and precious life can
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be. >> i always told my kids, you kn know, after you -- after you call them, it's kind of hard for me, but say i love you because that might be the end, the last time you're going to see them. >> the people in this community clearly have so much love for each other, which is helping people to get through this. and to at least begin some of the healing process. as soon as daylight arrives, we know there will be 200 emergency responders back out there scouring this one square mile of unspeakable devastation. continuing to look for any sign of life and also trying to get answers for those families who are missing their loved ones, carol. >> all right. now we have to talk about the tough stuff. there was a landslide there in 2006. in 1999, scientists did this study saying there was a possible risk of a catastrophic land -- mud slide, landslide.
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was anyone listening? >> well, you know, officials say they were aware of the danger to a certain extent. we've been asking a lot of those tough questions to the emergency responders, to state authorities, to federal authorities. they have the local authorities. and they admit, there are more questions to answer but still want to stay focused on the task at hand. we'll get to the bottom of all of that later. here's what we do know as we've been continuing to research what this area entails. we do know there have been smaller slides dating back to the 1950s. 1951. 1967. 1988 and then the 2006 slide you mentioned. there has been damage in those slides but no loss of life. and so people who moved into this area did have, i think, an understanding to a certain degree that landslides were possible but again, was there a specific warning as to what ended up happening that it could happen? we know there was a 1999 study
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that suggested it was possible, but nothing that happened maybe just before and the days before that we know of that would have given people time to evacuate before the land just ripped away. it certainly sparked a conversation, though, about whether homes should be allowed to be built in these landslide prone zones. not only because of the risk of life but also because of the many resources it takes to respond to a natural disaster like this, carol. >> and i was wondering, would there be any way at all to prevent such a thing from happening? >> i think it's hard to say. we're talking about an act of mother nature. but we know the state has spent millions of dollars repairing those other damages caused by previous slides, trying to put in reinforcements, trying to reduce the risk of the landslide risk. there have been efforts taken over the last several years but, clearly, it wasn't enough. >> ana cabrera reporting live
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from arlington, washington, tonight. in president obama's week of mix with world leaders, his meeting today may do more to boost approval ratings back home. he met with pope francis. just the pictures alone may help the president's standing with u.s. catholics. >> cnn's michelle kosinski is traveling with the president in vatican city. it wasn't a long meet bug the two men exchanged gifts. i know that. >> hi, carol. it was longer than many expected. the white house had budgeted 30 or 40 minutes and it lasted 52 minutes. so 12 minutes over the allotted, or at least expected time. what did they talk about exactly in there? did they get into their differences as well as their, what was i going to say, their similarities or their shared
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values? it's possible. we haven't had a formal read out yet from the white house. but the president actually sort of spelled out what he wanted to talk about. and one step beyond that, you might say that in an interview he gave with an italian newspaper, he almost laid out his policies and things he's attempting to do in the u.s. in a way that he was saying it sort of aligned with the pope's values. things like his efforts to raise the minimum wage. and he called the gap in incomes between the rich and the poor not only an economic issue but a moral issue. he also emphasized that he has been supporting human rights in situations around the world, including the situation currently in ukraine and said that his emphasis on diplomacy also gels with the values that pope francis has really espoused to the world. whether that is a deliberate kind of, let's align this trip and what i'm trying to do with
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what the pope feels. this was an interview given to an italian newspaper. not something in the u.s., although, of course, we know these comments circulate immediately around the world. and there was an exchange of gifts. pope francis gave president obama a medallion. the president said that he will treasure it. he also gave him an encyclical of the pope's readings. the president said this will be great while i'm deeply frustrated, for example in the oval office, i saying the pope's writings would give him strength and a sense of peace or calm. turn out that encyclical contains something of a criticism of the free market system and the president also made a joke saying he thinks the pope is probably the only person in the world who has to put up with more protocol than he does. we certainly saw a lot of vatican pomp and circumstance throughout this. those rare pictures from inside the papal palace. a place, in fact, that this pope
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has declined to live in saying it's just too ornate for his taste and goes against what he's been trying to really strengthen in the catholic church, what he says, being poor among the poor. carol? >> michelle kosinski reporting live from the vatican this morning. if you are wondering what the president gave the pope it was a big fancy box with seeds filled from mrs. obama's garden. new photos giving search teams a new focus in the indian ocean. could it be hindered by a failure of imagination? we'll have that conversation next.
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we learned japanese satellites spotted more possible debris from malaysia airlines 370. according to the kyoto news agency, there are about ten objects and those are described as square shaped and up to 25 feet long. this news follows this morning's announcement from thailand's government, it said satellite images from monday show some 300 objects floating in the southern indian ocean. this latest satellite images in all of these pictures taken in the same general area, about 1600 miles off the coast of perth, australia. until crews recover the objects, invest gitigators won't know ify
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are connected to the mission plane. we have five satellite images in all that show some kind of debris in roughly the same area in the southern indian ocean. so investigators say that's a positive sign. now some 20 days after flight 370's disappearance, investigators have many, many theories, but they don't have a single theory that cannot be ruled out. is it possible they are experiencing a failure of imagination? bear with me. a failure of imagination was cited as a reason intelligence agencies failed to prevent 9/1. no one ever thought terrorists would use a jet as a weapon, but they did. now we think of that scenario all the time. david funk is a pilot and former international captain for northwest airlines. tom fuente is a cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director. welcome, gentlemen. >> good morning, carol. >> tom, i know you've already poo-pooed the line of failure of
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imagination thought. but is it possible there's something about this mystery investigators have not considered? >> carol, i have watched cnn for 19 straight days, morning, noon, night and the evening shows have covered that this was something from god. other supernatural causes. a black hole in space. aliens, flew into the bermuda triangle or zombie pilots and passengers. >> i'm not talking about that stuff. i'm not talking about that kind of stuff but there are -- >> investigators are -- >> investigate scenarios that investigators haven't thought of? >> and they have. the problem is that one theory then gets discounted by other alleged facts. so, for example, if the idea that the plane flew off down, sideways, down to 12,000 feet, then it couldn't have gone as far as they believe it went in this south indian ocean. other aspects of it, the radar, how good they are, the inmarsat. they have all conflicted one day
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to the next. until recently they zeroed in on the south indian ocean. for the investigators who have two feet on the ground from the first night, they have looked at the pilots, the other crew members, the passengers, the cargo, everybody on the ground that touched that plane, including the catering service, housekeeping service, mechanics and engineers when the plane is serviced. people that put newel fuel in i. they looked at did the pilots commit suicide. so all of those possible theories, they have imagined and then worked through logically the evidence and what it would mean if that part of the investigation turned out to be true. the latest media reports they've zeroed in on the pilots are just false. flat out not true. they are not -- it hasn't exonerated the pilots. they haven't ruled them out but
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they haven't ruled them in and they aren't zeroed in on them. when we talk about the anguish of the poor family members, the victims who lost loved one s on that plane. you think about the family of the pilots, not only have you lost your father, oh, by the way, he may be a mass murderer. >> you are right. there's nothing -- there's nothing suspicious about this captain. there just isn't that we know of anyway. >> nothing yet has turned up. >> nothing yet has turned up. we know the 777 is one of the safest planes ever made but is it possible there's something about that boeing plane that we haven't considered? >> well, it's possible. but, you know, this is an airplane with about 57,000 hours on it, 7500 takeoffs and landings. it's about 60% of the way through its service life. so that's kind of the point where you start to see a little chafing in wires, wear and tear things that good maintenance which malaysia airlines has, will catch and repair. it doesn't mean these things don't happen.
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we see trends in every fleets of aircraft. doesn't matter if it's the dc-9 or 737 or boeing 777. the asiana crash was probably going to come down to a lack of proficiency by the pilots. i wouldn't be surprised at the end of the day when the black boxes are recovered and we have enough pieces of this airplane to draw some logical and intelligent conclusions, that we find that it may be just a very simple event that led to a cascading series of problems that overwhelm the crew aability to deal with it in the time they had with the resources they had. >> that leads me to my next question. >> still could be a nefarious event. >> the obvious suspects, once you get past investigating those obvious suspects, do you step back and you find nothing, i should have added that, do you stoep back and say, maybe it's just something simple. >> no, they have said -- they look at all of that aspects of it. it could be something simple. in all of the previous crash
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investigations, when they draw various conclusions, it's at the end of the investigation or after a substantial part of the investigation which includes normally access to the flight recorders and the cockpit voice recorder and the pieces of the airplane. like in the case of twa-800. a million pieces of the airplane put back together where they finally find the frayed wires and the empty gas tank compartment that lit off the fumes and blew the plane up and they see the twisted metal, the residue of the smoke or whatever chemicals and they can tell whether it was an explosive or from some other cause. so all of that could be revealed to be something extremely simple. but it's really, at this point, i think they've exhausted about every possible belief until they have evidence, which is going to mean find the debris. they'll get a little bit of information maybe from the debris but the debris has to lead to the plane and the plane then is when the investigation
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really becomes a crime scene. that's when the csi work really can begin to put that -- the pieces back together and see what made them come apart. >> david, do you think that boeing will ever stop trying to figure out what happened to this plane? >> we never will stop. you've got an airplane with a 20-year great safety record. boeing builds terrific airplanes. just, you know, all the little problems that we're -- that i mentioned, those are kind of one-off problems. and i have, in my gut feeling, i think we come back to something simple that overwhelmed the crew. as tom said, once we had the airplane, now a lot of the questions will be answered. although the background work we do on the passengers, the crew, the maintenance records is a normal portion of the investigation. once you get the airplane, now you can get those little pieces that fit that whole mosaic together so we can determine what it is that caused the airplane to -- the loss of the airplane. with a pretty high probability. we'll never know for sure, but we'll have a very good idea what
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as the search in the indian ocean for flight 370 waits to resume -- well, we've explored this issue before. it's terrible. what would happen if the boeing 777 ran out of fuel over open water? martin savidge and mill el shows us. >> good morning carol. we have had people ask if it's
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possible to show a simulation of this running out of fuel. because it's a simulator, we can immediately get out of fuel like he's done. we're out of gas. follow the screens in the center. what are we seeing here mitchell? >> the engines roll back here. they're failing. you've got the warnings here on the cast. fuel quantity pumps and everything has failed. there's many pages to go through. basically the engines are failing. engine fail left and engine fail right. >> the auto pilot was set at 5,000 feet for the purpose of this demonstration. it's believed the aircraft would have been higher. we're losing all electrical power. the auto pilot is still engaged which means what? >> it's going to try to pull altitude 5,000 feet. speed is going to decrease.
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we don't have forward thrust. gravity is taking over trying to hold the airplane at a that airplane. it will hold 5,000 feet until the speed drops so much it won't produce lift. it will fall tail first in the ocean. >> you can hear the alarm going off. the plane is trying to maintain altitude which without engines it cannot do. gravity will always win in the circumstance. we're watching the speed bleed away. down to 170 knots, 160. what you worry about here is stall. >> absolutely. >> when we stall, our nose is pitched up. >> we're going to stall in two seconds. the nose is gradually getting higher and higher. there's the warning. >> it is telling us the plane is no longer flying. nose is going to pitch up.
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happening now in the "newsroom," breaking overnight, new satellite images.
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and new hope for the families. >> those satellite images could be valuable. >> 300 objects found floating in the ocean. >> it's hard to say until they pick up a piece. >> this morning, defense for the plane's pilot growing louder. >> you new captain shah. some point a finger at him. >> he's an excellent pilot. >> for the first time the captain's youngest son speaking out addressing those that call his father a political fanatic or hijacker. this morning's search called off. the wicked weather. >> may not be able to see the wing tips of the aircraft. >> grounding all flights as malaysia airlines speaks to families. the full page ad from malaysia airlines, words of support, deeply saddened, sincerest
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condolences, will never be forgotten. a special edition of "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. we begin with another signing of possible debris in the indian ocean as the search for the missing flight continues. a new report from the japan kyoto news agency says the satellite spotted 10 square shaped objects. the pictures were taken yesterday. we don't have them to show you. we know they were spotted this the same general vicinity as the other objects. the largest from japan is 26 feet long. this discovery comes the same day thai authorities released new images. this was taken march 24th. it shows a debris field with 300
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objects. couple this with the next two images taken by australia march 16th. the fourth was taken on the 18th, a chinese satellite snapped an unknown object. this past sunday a french satellite spotted another large debris field. common denominator, all were taken roughly the same area e 1600 miles off the coast of perth, australia. the big problem today, very limited search time. nothing was found. the planes were called back because of nasty weather. however ships remain in the area in the water. those objects found are 125 miles from where a french satellite spotted its debris on sunday. tom foreman is in washington to map it out. good morning. >> hi carol. you mentioned the limited search time. that remains a huge problem here. looking at new images. here's what's good about them. this all looks like aircraft
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debris. in terms of the search, that looks good. it looks like the right thing. the fact it's all together may be a positive thing. let's look at difficulty in getting their hands on this, why this is hard to confirm satellite images. here's perth over here. planes are flying 1,600 miles to reach the search zone. it's so far by the time they make it out here, some have two hours of searching time before they have to fly back and fly back. they get nine or ten hours of flying for two hours of searching in difficult seas. that's one of the challenges. the other challenge is it continues to be always, always moving. let's look up the map if we bring in a global picture from the atmospheric administration about the currents out there. bear in mind these targets keep shifting hour by hour. what you see now, you may not see later. look at the clustering of these fines over the past eight days. as you see, they're all in the
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same area. we keep adding to the same general area. that could be very positive, but this is still a big spot. this is going to be from one side of the circle to the other, around 240 miles. it's going to em compass 47,000 square miles, something like that. all those currents out there constantly make things move this way or that way, up and down in the water, literally seconds can pass between something on the top where you can see it and when it's pushed under a couple of feet and you can't see it. this is the challenge carol. it remains a challenge. they have to get their hands on something out here. at some point they have to have a ship pick up one of these pieces and say, this could be or could not be part of this plane. this could all be a false lead. it could be trash in the ocean that happened to be spotted here and happened to be corralled by competing currents.
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maybe it's what they're after. until they get it in their hands, we're not going to know. >> tom foreman, many thanks. >> for the first time this morning we're hearing from the immediate family of flight 370's captain sa hard shah. his son tells the newspaper the new times his father was neither suicidalle or a political extremist. he tells the paper i've read everything online but ignored the speculation. i know my father better. another focus of the investigation, the computer hard drives taken from the homes of both pilots. fbi says analysis should be finished within a few days. u.s. a. is reporting now they're focussing on the captain a. the investigation says there's no such evidence jumping out at them.
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jim is tracking from the nation's capital, kuala lumpur. good morning. >> reporter: good evening from kuala lumpur carol. you know, these stories tend to cycle. some of these reports about captain shah have been cycled before through the media. the accumulation, some have called them smears. the pilots are legitimate subjects for the investigation. when we look at all of this, the real question is are they being treated fairly? take a look. >> in a vacuum of evidence, media reports persistently report to pilots as those likely responsible for the disappearance of flight 370. they had the skill, they were the last ones in control. zboch government officials refuse to comment. the head of the airline said he personally knew shah from the
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time he was a cadet 30 years ago. >> you knew captain shah. some point a finger at at him. >> he's an excellent pilot. i think they're going to wrong way if they are pointing finger at him. >> you also knew the co-pilot. what can you say about him? >> his father learned by heart. he also learned by heart. he's good. i know that captain is good. >> at times accusations against captain shah have been colored with politics. he was a long time supporter of the opposition party and its leader. >> some people in the government saw this opportunity to link him to the pilot. that's the reason it became a controversy. >> it's been reported captain shah was in the courtroom hours before the flight when he was
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s -- when the leader was charged and sentenced to prison. >> i'm quite clear he wasn't there the friday afternoon when the sentencing took place. >> as a multinational search effort closes this on the resting site of flight 370, the doctor hopes the data recorder will be located and with it the evidence to clear the pilots. >> must get the black box. once we get the black box, we can have the answers. if we can't find all those, then it will start pointing fingers. they will say all sorts of things that's difficult for us to defend. >> tonight captain shah's family is inclusion trying to avoid the media glare. you point out what his son said. i've read it all. it has not changed my heart. i know my father.
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he said we understood one another. back to you carol. >> jim clancy reporting live from kuala lumpur. let's go to aviation attorney that represents victims and families after airline disasters. welcome. >> thank you. good to be with you carol. >> nice to have you here once again. mary, now we have five satellite images that show debris in the same general area in the indian ocean. analyze that for us. does that make you more hopeful we'll find something eventually? >> it does. the kind of debris is hard to see. they're distant and fuzzy pictures. it is starting to look morelike an aviation crash debris field. the sizes are of varying pieces. they would be widely dispersed unless there's a possibility there's a lot of wiring,
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thousands of miles of wiring on a plane that can act like a net. the wreckage gets strewn over large areas. there's a lot of debris usually. the more numbers they site, the better, more promising. >> of course the frustration is they're spotting satellite image, but we can't find them by ship, right? >> right. then you think about the satellite gets it one day. human eyes analyze the next. then they get it out to the planes. then the planes fly the next day. then the ships go. we have such a delay between the satellite picking it up and the ships. it's to be expected it would be moved. hopefully they can work on shortening that time so they can actually get out there. what they have to do is get pieces on board a ship so they can look at it, test it for explosion, fire, residue et
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cetera. see what the pieces look like. does it look like it had inbreak flight explosion or broke apart in the water. they can tell from the wreckage. >> i heard you say before it only takes one small piece of debris to figure out something. >> right. if there happened to be -- for example, if there was an explosion or bomb on board, the wreckage will have pitting. they'll be able to tell what kind of explosive it was. if it exploded from what part of the plane. they can get residue of anything like that. like a battery fire if there was a battery fire explosion that put out residue or a terrorist bomb. that will have evidence on pieces of debris. it would also leave it on the victims. >> the search has gone on three weeks. the australian prime minister hinted this cannot go on forever. at some point there's going to
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be fewer resources available. in your mind, when do we reach that point? >> well, certainly not yet. if air france 447 is any indication, that went on a couple years. tw 800 took four years to finish that investigation. they put hit back together. cases red heart over, between four to seven years. i don't think the investigators will give up any time soon. if they run out of clues on wreckage, i think the next place to send sonar side scanners, trailing fish, if you will, the navy's listening devices for the black boxes, and looking devices, submersibles. you can look. i would send those to the place they had the half hand shake ping. the very last sound which they are now theorizing might have been the last sound of the
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malaysia airlines is publishing a full page message in the malaysian newspaper, the news straights times. it reads in part, our condolences go out to loved ones of 239 passenger friend and colleagues. words alone cannot describe our sorrow and pain. they've left us too soon but they will never be forgotten. i'm joined by jim who lost his father and stepmother when the flight crashed. >> good morning to both of you. >> good morning carol. >> jim, i want to start with you. malaysian airlines seems a tad more sensitive. are they doing what they should now? >> well, it strikes me as breathtakingly tone deaf. my question is what else is
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going on? as an airline flying in the united states, they need to have a crisis management plan in place under the family assistance act of 1996. that legislation doesn't govern crashes not on american soil but does stipulate that a family assistance center be set up with adequate previsions for fully informing family members of developments in the investigation and also calls for the organization of measures to recover human remains and personal effects. further the establishment later on of a memorial. all of those things are crucial. it's not clear. i have no information whatsoever about if any of those things are in process. >> i know that malaysia airlines have sent people to have private press conferences with these
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families. they're trying to inform them as much as they can right now. frankly at the beginning they didn't at all. it's difficult -- >> go ahead jim. >> yeah, let me just say about the briefings. i was stunned and a palled to see the way family members were about assaulted by the press trying to make their way into those briefings. i did not attend the initial gathering after the crash of egyptair 990. i have communications from friends that said families were fully sequestered. press was unable to reach the families at all at a private hotel on a small island, 25 yards off the main shore, accessible only -- any time anyone became incapacitated, overcome, there were doctors,
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nurse, counselors all around to offer compassion and support. that seems to be missing here. >> i totally, completely agree with you jim. i do. mark a question for you -- >> so what i want to say -- forgive me -- >> go ahead. >> hello? >> go ahead jim. >> what i want to say most emphatically here is that the malaysian government needs to understand that the process of recovery for families does not end with finding the black boxes. that's simply the beginning of a long and difficult process and the malaysians will be judged by the way they treat their families at every step of that process. >> mark, there is a law firm out there that announced plans to sue. they're trying to build a case against boeing and the airline. they seem to be taking advantage of families though. >> well, i think you raise a
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good point carol. i've read the same accounts. we don't have a single piece of information, fact or otherwise that in any way suggests this boeing built airplane had a single problem. we've heard all sorts of speculation and guest work. we've gone off in all different directions speculating about it. there's not a single fact suggesting there was anything wrong with this aircraft at all. to suggest through the filing of a lawsuit that there's something wrong with the airplane is quite frankly outrageous. with respect to suing malaysian airline, i simply fail to understand what the rush is. we're still looking for the airplane. we're looking for debris. that isn't even really, doesn't get us to the airplane itself as we've all heard. the idea of this rush to the court, the race of the courthouse to be the first to file makes no sense whatsoever.
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under the international agreements that malaysia, malaysia airlines is operating pursuant to, there's a liability running between passengers and the airline. there will be compensation. the statue of limitations, the time frame in which the families have the ability to sue, if they have to sue -- i strongly suspect and know having done this for 25 years on behalf of airlines and the insurers that the airline and insurers are going to step up and do the right thing. that the need to file a lawsuit now to me is just beyond belief. yes, you get publicity and perhaps the hope is you get more clients out of it. in terms of advancing the investigation or getting something done that isn't otherwise being done, it simply isn't happening. >> an ethical attorney.
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if one of the family members called you. what would you tell them? >> i represent the airlines as opposed to families of the victims. i could be accused of being biassed. i have been involved in a matter in which families did call me in connection with an accident involving the air force. one of the families called me, and my answer to them was there's no need to rush. let the investigation move forward. there's plenty of time to present a claim. indeed i had confidence in the situation the right thing would be done, and in fact the right thing was done. the matter was resolved without litigation at all. i know the airline, malaysia airlines is a sophisticated organization. quite frankly one of the problems i see happening is that the airline, the malaysia airlines and the malaysian government seem to be used interchangeably. the fact is they are not interchangeable here. the government is running the
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investigation. the airline is not. the government seems to be the body that is releasing the information and in many instances misinformation. the airline is not. we can all criticize some aspect of any investigation, but what's happening here to the airline and what's happening to the flight crew is quite frankly though the the context of speculati speculation. there's no need for anybody to be rushing to a courthouse. none whatsoever. >> let me bring jim back into the conversation. these families are quite vulnerable now. from your perspective, is it okay to consult an attorney at the time if you're one of the family members? >> well, if the families feel they want to speak to an attorney, who am i to tell them it's inappropriate? carol, the best piece of news i could possibly hear at this moment would be about the formation of a family association. that would give the families the chance to not simply support one
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another but to speak to one another to decide what their goals are, independent of attorneys, of government officials, of airline officials. in our case, that was enormously helpful. i think it brought us all along way. >> mark, you certainly understand that. these families feel they have no control over anything. there's no one standing up -- >> that's just it. carol, that's just it. >> go ahead jim. >> that's just it. a family association gives someone for the -- provides a spokesperson for the families. responsible leadership goes a long way facilitating all kinds of positive things about this horrific situation. >> jim brokaw and mark i
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. we'll have more on the investigation into flight 370 in a minute. first, 90 are now missing after saturday's deadly landslide in washington state. that's down from the 176 reported yesterday. at least 24 people were killed. we know that for sure. when a massive chunk of earth
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tore through two towns. george howell has more for you. >> it's a slow laborious process looking through mud and debris searching for victims. this is the latest taken from the disaster zone as the recovery operation continues. even the mayor admits -- >> this project is so big, we can't do this ourselves. the magnitude, severity and distance of material travel and energy it took to get there is something that you can't wrap your head around. >> locals began digging right away trying to help each other. now more regional and state resources are in place to cover the one square mile of land. officials tell us there are seven excavators on the ground to sift through mud, five gravel
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trucks, one bulldozer on site, 16 timber cutters and 85 urban search and rescue crews along with dozens of volunteers. two black hawk helicopters are in route to search from above. >> you find the tents where crews are setting up for the long haul. more help is on the way. >> the emergency declaration was making sure there were resources right away in terms of emergency response. now they're looking at expanding that to help with debris removal and ongoing efforts as we look to recovery in that area. >> it's help that congresswoman susan knows will make a big difference in the days and weeks ahead. although it's welcomed in these parts -- >> we pride ourselves on resiliency and self-reliance. >> help isn't something this community is is use to asking
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value clues could be emerging in the search for 370. government satellites spotted 10 new square objects in the same region as recent discoveries. we don't have those images as of yet, but this is the fifth siting of possible debris in recent days. joined by safety analyst and author of "why planes crash" david. welcome back. >> hi carol. >> thanks for being here. we have satellite images of roughly the same area in the indian ocean. does that give more cause for more hope? >> well, we're putting together some theories or possibilities as to why this goes. we were talking with columbia university specialist there. he has a theory all pieces of debris is a logical dispersion
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of a singular point. this gives me hope this may very well be sightings have been all from a certain point. >> i hope you're right. it's difficult to wrap your head around the fact the debris from the plane that's been there such a long time could still be floating along in a big pile so to speak. >> it doesn't surprise me at all. knowing the construction of this airplane. there's a lot of honey comb structure in this. it's got a layer of aluminum on the outside and inside and between that to add structure is a honey comb structure. it's got a pockets sealed inside that. even if the metal was twisted, torn, pulled, there's pockets of air suspended it. i'm not surprised at all there's
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that much debris if this is indeed the plane. >> the most difficult part is finding this debris on a ship in the big ocean. if the ship speeds by a pieces of debris, it can't stop, turn around and get it. that's a difficult process. how much do they need to come up with a theory of how this plane could have gone down? >> well, there's a lot of information on even just the smallest piece of debris on an accident site. for example, if there was an explosion on board, there would be evidence on nearly every interior panel. the way the plastics or interior of the aircraft would burn different whether it's a flash type of burn or sustained burn. there's a lot of good information that could be achieved, retrieved from singular pieces of metal. >> i'm thinking back on theories out there and have been out there. is there one theory we could
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truly discount now? >> there really isn't. i commend the malaysian government and the people running this investigation for not doing that. as soon as you start picking out conclusions and suspicions, unless it's part of the investigation to help determine where the aircraft would have gone, you start casting the investigation in a specific area. i think it's smart not to have the conclusions now and not rule anything out. >> david soucie, many thanks as always. >> thank you for having me. >> any time. still to come, what happened to that plane? what's the legacy that may already be taking shape? benefiber is clear, taste-free and dissolves completely. and unlike other fibers, you'll only know you're taking fiber by the way good digestive health makes you look& and feel. benefiber. clearly healthy.
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as investigators search for the cause of flight 370's disappearance, one conclusion is emerging. the apparently doomed flight could have a larger effect on air travel. cnn stephanie elam is in los angeles with a closer look. good morning. >> good morning carol. after other major airplane disasters like 9/11, we've seen changes implemented, the question is how long before we see them? >> every accident affects the future of aviation. we learn so much from it. >> jetliner catastrophes don't happen often, but when they do, the information is global. >> the jetliner technology is called into question. >> it seems crazy to me in 2014 a plane could just disappear. >> i agree with you. you know, anybody can buy a spot locater that transmits to satellites all the time.
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we would always know where this person was. why such things are not on board every jetliner i don't know. >> in fact the federal aviation administration has mandated by 2020 all commercial aircraft have gps on board. faa doesn't call shots for all. >> it's dependant on organizations governments at the local level. >> cockpit doors were reinforced but thomas says long before 2001 calls for that very improvement from some groups in the industry fell on deaf ears. >> the industry is hard pressed to spend money on anything above and beyond what it's mandated to do by government. there will be talk, but i think in the end you won't see a lot of action. >> any changes will fatake year. the major reason is cost. from cameras in the cockpit and
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cabin to streaming flight data in real time, upgrades would cost millions of and have to be implemented without disrupting a system that moves millions a day. who would pay for the upgrades? in the u.s., tax ppayers and ultimately passengers. >> do you think the world will change how we fly? >> we learned we need to keep track of airplanes and need to know where they are at all times, more today than any other time in the past. >> and another thing that obviously is very important is how airplanes fly from different air space, how they communicate with different countries. it's proprietary. andrew thomas tells me things are getting better. improvements will still take a lot of time. carol? >> stephanie elam reporting live from los angeles. i'll be right back. ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker.
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239 people thrust into the global spotlight after the disappearance of a malaysian jetliner. i'm talking about the passengers of flight 370. anderson cooper has some of their stories. paul weeks is a husband and father of two, on his way to
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start a new job in mongolia, his dream job. before he left his home, he gave his wedding ring and watch with his wife. >> he said i'm going to leave my wedding ring here. should anything happen to me i want the ring to go to the first son who's married and the watch to the second. i said something like don't be stupid. just come back, and i'll give it back to you and you can give it to them. >> another up couple had been on vacation and were going back home to their children. >> nothing was more important than the kids. everything they did surrounded the kids. go to their house and it was covered with pictures of their boys. >> this 30-year-old was on her way home to her 5-year-old daughter. she works fur a company based in austin, texas on board with 19
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colleagues. >> two were looking forward to becoming first time grandparents. they were on a long planned trip with their friends. the couple was knowns adoting grant parents. the oldest pass jer on board, 76-year-old a renowned ka ligament ra fer traveling with his life. loved ones have waited with prayers and with hope. strangers mostly children held up pictures at airport in malaysia. this one read, we miss you. we love you. this one simply says, please come back. ♪
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president obama wrapping up the leg of his overseas trip, expected to hold a conference with the prime minister in a few minutes. his first ever meeting with pope francis earlier today. the two talked, exchanged gifts. you've got to admit the setting here is absolutely gorgeous. michelle kosinski is in rome covering this. tell us more about this meeting. >> reporter: it is interesting to see inside that part of the vatican where cameras rare ly g. it stops you in your tracks when you first see it how ornate it is. the pope has declined to live there because of that. he's stuck to his views as being poor among the poor as he says it. he wanted something much
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simpler. so far we haven't heard from the white house what exactly was discussed in the heating. it was in private. there were not cameras inside for the 52 minutes it lasted. you could say a significantly longer time than was expected. we thought it would be maybe around 30 minutes. they went over a lot to talk about. the world wanted to see how this went. obviously president obama's policies conflict with the catholic church in obvious ways. people wondered as well as the views they share, they went into ways they didn't agree. we did get a statement just now from the vatican somewhat vague saying what they talked about. here's part of it. they said during meeting, things were discussed and hope for respect for humanitarian and international law and solution between the parties involved.
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that seems to be talking about the situation in ukraine. it seems evident that would be one of the topics of discussion. that has weighed so heavily on this entire your european trip. there's another part of the press release about the talks in the vatican. in the context of bilateral relations and cooperation between church and state there was questions of particular relevance of the church in the country meaning the u.s. such as exercise to religious freedom, life and conjecture as well as human trafficking in the world. that spells out subjects touched upon. as they left the meeting it was much more informal. they were smiling a lot, shaking
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hands and the president barack obama cracked a few jokes. we will see the press conference with the president in a few minutes. that's all for me. the next hour starts with berman and michaela now. hello and good morning. i'm michaela pereira. >> i'm john berman. 8:00 a.m. out west. big developments in the search for flight 370 with time very much running out. new satellite images released for the first time this morning showing possible objects, hundreds of them, floating in the southern indian ocean. i want you to look at this closely. a thai satellite snapped these images monday. adding to the intrigue, they were seeing 125 miles from the area where a french satellite spotted dozens of objects on sunday. now this just a short time ago japan is

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